XFM Vault - S02E02 Transcript

Ricky Gervais and Steve Merchant returned to XFM, the alternative London-based radio station in September 2001 after the first series of The Office had been broadcast. Due to the phenomenal success of the show, Ricky was important enough to now be given his own producer, one Karl Pilkington. Although Karl was hired to just "press the buttons", Ricky and Steve got him involved more and more with the show over the subsequent weeks and soon became fascinated with his personal life, unconventional childhood and ridiculous stories. By the end of the first season Karl had become a crucial part of the show's success.

ricky: Back to form there - Oasis and Little By Little. This is Xfm 104.9, I'm Ricky Gervais, who are you?

steve: Er, my name's Steve Merchant, good to see you.

ricky: Thanks. Er, with us, er, the producer in the studio is Karl Pilkington. And he'll be doing the m-buttons...

steve: Yeah? You made a good effort there...

steve: But er, once again...

ricky: Got bored.

steve: Words are your enemy Rick, and they defeated you once again.

steve: Just ran out of steam with the sentences.

ricky: Ohh, every week I think right, I'm really gonna make an effort now.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: I'm gonna, I've, I've chosen some records...

steve: Yeah.

ricky: That's it.

steve: That's it. That's as far as it goes isn't it?

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Maybe you should write out what you're gonna say at the top of the show?

steve: Write that out. Get a nice big crayon.

ricky: No, I like to keep a little bit of...

ricky: You know.

steve: Little bit of sumin'. Little bit of spark. Little bit of liveliness to it, sure.

ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

steve: Sure, sure, sure, sure.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: How are you? Good, good to see you

ricky: Yeah, great. It's great to be er...

steve: It's great to be out

steve: Out of the house again.

ricky: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just, erm, I was going to say because we've been doing this for a long time now with a little break, erm, but XFM are bringing new listeners all the time. I've heard four or five a week.

steve: Really?

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Wow, man alive.

ricky: New listeners tune in to XFM 104.9.

steve: Radio 1 beware!

ricky: Yeah, yeah. And, uh, we might take it for granted that people that know who we are, know who you are, know who Karl is.

steve: Sure.

ricky: Um.

steve: Old listeners, certainly.

ricky: Now, if, if, if you, you know, if you're a regular then you know exactly who we are. But, erm, for those of you who don't, uh, I'll say I'm, I'm Ricky Gervais.

steve: Ricky Gervais, BAFTA-award winning actor and, uh--

ricky: Yeah, yeah.

steve: And writer.

ricky: Steve Merchant, erm, all those.

steve: Friend of yours.

ricky: Yeah, yeah. And, this is the important thing, Karl Pilkington.

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: Our, erm, produ-- I say producer. He was the bloke who was lumbered with the job. When I said, "Listen--" See I used to run the desk in the old days when I was working for XFM, I used to press the buttons and run the desk and everything. And then I said, "Listen, I've been on the telly, I do not press my own buttons." And Karl said, "Well, I don't really work weekends." And they went, "Well, you do if you want to keep your job."

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: And we were lumbered with him. And then we discovered that he's not just a, a little, like a little dork. A little Manc-y, sort of, idiot.

steve: Sure. Sure.

ricky: He's got, he's got a nice shirt. He's got, you know what I mean? He's got something else.

steve: Absolutely. He brings another dimension, yeah.

ricky: Yeah. And, uh, he, he started having a little chat and we discovered--

steve: We both love him.

ricky: That he had quite a lot to say.

steve: Mm. Well I, I think you're absolutely right and I think, um- I was wondering maybe we should maybe play another tune. But after that, I just think we should refamiliarize our radio audience with Karl.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: And any new listeners, just get- let, somehow, kind of let them get to know the real Karl again.

ricky: Well if you are new, you'll, you'll find that we like some old songs, some new songs, some chitter-chat. Uh, we get serious sometimes.

steve: Oh yeah.

ricky: There's some tears and some laughter.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: We kicked off with Oasis's new one, "Little by Little". We're going to go back in time now to Iggy Pop and his Stooges with "I'm Bored."

ricky: Iggy Pop, "I'm Bored" on XFM 104.9. I'm Ricky Gervais.

steve: Steve Merchant here.

ricky: Yeah. Little Karl Pilkington. Well, to reintroduce or introduce people to the first time to Karl, um, I think we should have a--

steve: Yeah, maybe sort of a, kind of, a quick Q&A Karl, and we don't need, sort of, lengthy answers from you. We don't need lots of detail. Uh, you know, it can be a, just a couple of sentences--

ricky: Just to get a flavour of who you are.

steve: To answer these questions. Yeah, so firstly, name obviously Karl Pilkington. Age, Karl?

karl: I'll be, uh, I'll be thirty next month.

steve: Really?

karl: This month. No next, wha- where are we?

steve: I don't think we need to ask any more questions.

ricky: I, I don't- I think we've done it.

steve: That's it.

ricky: I think we've done it there.

steve: Welcome to the world of Karl Pilkington.

ricky: I think- Oh, I thought it would take three or four questions--

steve: I thought it was going to at least--

ricky: To really explain what Karl is about.

steve: Yeah, that was, that was the first question.

ricky: Oh, oh God!

steve: Absolutely incredible. But um, but we can't really leave it there cause, um--

ricky: No.

steve: Because we haven't got enough else to do to fill up the two hours.

ricky: No.

steve: So, um, so let's pursue this line of inquiry.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: So, um, age? What was the age, Karl? In a couple of--

ricky: When were you, when were you born?

karl: I'll be, uh-- '72.

ricky: Right, what month, what day?

karl: I'm on the cusp.

steve: You're on the cusp of a day?

karl: Um, twenty-third of September.

steve: Ok.

karl: '72.

steve: So anyway-- ok, alright. Good.

ricky: And there you were talking there about, um, obviously your star sign, were you, on the cusp?

karl: Yep.

ricky: You believe in that, do you?

karl: No.

ricky: You don't believe in star signs?

karl: No, not really.

ricky: But you do believe in ghosts, I understand.

karl: No, because the star signs--

ricky: The paranormal.

karl: Yeah, but the star sign thing, you've got how many, how many different star signs are they?

ricky: Twelve, innit?

karl: Right, and then you've got, like, loads of people.

ricky: Yeah. You do the math.

karl: So they're saying that, you know, there's only twelve different sorts of people in the world.

ricky: Exactly. That's exactly right. It's, it's made-up. It's made-up nonsense. It's non-science.

steve: It's pseudo-science.

ricky: It's, yes. It's, it's, it's, it's hairy-man and, um, dyed-hair-woman science.

steve: Yes.

ricky: Innit?

steve: Alright?

karl: Yeah.

steve: Anyway, back to you, Karl. Where were you born?

karl: In, uh, in Manchester.

steve: Okay. What GCSE results did you get?

karl: I got, uh, was it an E? Got an E in history.

ricky: You got an E in history. And how did you find out that?

karl: You found out.

ricky: Cause you thought you, you didn't, you couldn't remember what you got. You didn't turn up and you thought you'd done about three, one of which wasn't history, and actually--

karl: I knew, I knew I did art.

ricky: Yeah, you didn't. I'm telling you didn't cause we checked. You did one. You turned up for history, you did history, you got an E in history.

karl: No, I definitely did art. I made a little clay man.

ricky: Yeah, you've got to register for O-levels. You don't just do it and then phone 'em up and say, "How was that?" And they go--

steve: "I'm sending you a clay man."

steve: "Send me a grade."

ricky: Yeah, yeah. There's all things, there's forms to fill out and things like that, Karl.

steve: Anyway...

ricky: Yeah, go on.

steve: Who was your closet childhood friend?

karl: Closest. At what age?

steve: Well, when you were young, when you were--

ricky: Oh, I remember this. It's a fella. Um, someone Makin, innit?

karl: There's, there's, well he wasn't really a close mate. Darren Buckley was me--

steve: Darren Buckley?

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Tell us briefly about Darren. I'd forgotten about Darren.

karl: He's the one who, um, all the, all the girls liked him.

steve: Did they?

karl: He had, uh, he had permed hair. Used to--

karl: Have his hair like a footballer.

steve: Sure.

karl: Um--

steve: Were you jealous of him?

karl: His dad was a copper.

steve: Did you hang around with Darren, like, in the hope of getting of, maybe, his, kind of, castoffs?

karl: Nah. I, I- You see, it's weird with me. I wasn't that bothered about having loads of mates an' that. I sort of--

steve: Sure.

karl: I had lots of mates, but I could do without 'em.

ricky: You had a magpie, didn't you?

karl: I was happy, I was happy playing with me magpie.

ricky: Yeah, and what happened to him?

karl: It, uh, flew away.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: But I wasn't bothered because it was giving me grief towards the end, wasn't it. It was--

karl: It was popping me, me Grifter tyres an' that.

steve: Yeah, sure.

karl: Flying down, pecking me head.

steve: Sure. Now you went to school with a number or different interesting people. Some of whom are freaks.

ricky: Two of which, I understand, had big heads and webbed toes.

steve: Is that right?

ricky: Yet they were not related to each other and they weren't friends with each other. Why weren't they friends with each other?

karl: Because that'd be obvious.

steve: Did they, did they wear shoes or did they walk around in their, in their webbed, uh, feet?

ricky: Were they good at swimming? Were they good at swimming?

karl: Uh, I don't know. I don't they ever, ever went swimming.

ricky: Did they ever talk, did they, did they ever look over at each other and think--

steve: "Yeah, we should hang out more."

karl: I told you something in the week, as well, there was another lad at school- had a pigeon chest.

steve: He had a what?

ricky: Can we come back to this?

steve: He had a pigeon chest?

ricky: I think we should play a record, Karl. Cause we, I think we've hooked them now. I think, I think--

steve: Yeah. There's no one switching off now, Rick.

ricky: No, play a record.

ricky: Blur, "Coffee & TV." Karl, uh- I said, "It's not the best Blur song" when it was playing, you know, I don't want to diss it, but it's not the best one, I mean, that, that's fact, you know?

steve: Absolutely, sure.

ricky: Karl went, "I like the video though. Had a little milk carton."

steve: Yeah.

ricky: "Bit sad. It's tragic, innit?" He went, and this is all to himself. I'm not even joining in. And then he went, “Yeah, but it’s alright in the end.” He goes, “He finds a little girl milk carton.” Just lives out a little thing in his- is that like you on your paper round, that little milk carton walking around like that? I imagine you…oh, people that don’t know about, if you just tuned in Karl had a paper round--

steve: It’s his favourite job ever.

ricky: And he maintains it’s the best job he’s ever had. Innit, Karl?

ricky: Go on.

karl: I don’t know what’s so weird about that.

steve: It’s a paper round.

karl: Yeah, but look- forget all that.

steve: It’s not the most fulfilling of jobs.

karl: Look at, look at the way it works, right. You get it out of the way at the start of the day so you got the rest of the day to yourself.

steve: Sure.

ricky: Just as the same as signing on.

karl: Your own, you’re your own boss, you know?

ricky: Same as signing on.

steve: Well you’re not your own boss. The guy at the newsagent is your boss.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: Nahhh...

ricky: That’s great.

steve: You’ve proven me wrong there, yeah.

ricky: Yeah, that’s great. Nahhhhh. Yeah, nahhhhh, not really. Would that stand up in court? “Well you were found with the dagger.” “Nahhhhhhhhhh.”

steve: “Was I?”

karl: When are we, uh, when are we playing me new game?

ricky: Oh, Karl’s got a new game. Karl’s so excited. Oh, just--

steve: Well we were talking about something before--

ricky: Yeah, the freaks he used to go, the people with big heads, two webbed feet, didn’t hang around each other, that would be too obvious. Um, you had a fella with a pigeon chest.

steve: Yeah, what’s the story with the pigeon chest?

karl: Don’t know how it happened. It was like, it looked like somebody sort of hit him on the back with a big hammer and it had come out of the front.

steve: Yeah.

karl: And I’ve never seen it since.

steve: Could that have been the answer?

karl: What, why his, why he had it?

steve: Yeah, why he had it. Possibly, I suppose, in your neck of the woods.

karl: Yeah. I dunno, I never asked him.

steve: It’s just come back to haunt you, has it, the pigeon chest?

karl: No, it’s just that, uh, you know, when you, when you mentioned about kids at school I forgot all about him. You’re talking about the kids with the webbed feet and the big heads and I forgot about the little, old--

steve: Pigeon chest.

karl: Pigeon boy.

steve: Well listen are you- I’m a big fan of that TV show, it’s on digital TV, a lot of people won’t have it, but “Inside the Actor’s Studio” with James Lipton.

ricky: Yeah, yeah.

steve: And he interviews lots of big Hollywood stars and he always asks them these same questions at the end. Can I just run a few of ‘em past you?

karl: Go on.

steve: Okay. So, um, if you could do any other profession other than the one you do now, what profession would you do?

ricky: Can you just change that to “apart from a paper round”?

steve: Apart from a paper round?

karl: Ooh…

steve: You could do any other profession, Karl.

karl: Erm, and it doesn’t matter about, like--

steve: It doesn’t matter if you’ve got the skills or anything, in an ideal world, if you had the ability.

karl: Well, I think I’m about to buy somewhere so I reckon something, you know, using, using tools and like doing a bit of plumbing an’ that.

steve: So a plumber.

karl: Well, sort of an all-rounder.

steve: Right, right.

karl: Well, yeah, yeah. I think, you know, you don’t get paid that much, but it’s useful, innit. So--

ricky: You could get your own show, couldn’t you, with Carol Smillie eventually?

karl: Well, all that, but the money that you don’t make, you save by not having to pay someone else do the chores, do you know what I mean?

ricky: Right, okay. I, I don’t know what that sentence meant.

karl: Right, right, look. A plumber, how much, how much is the average plumber on?

ricky: The money you don’t make, you save on not getting someone else to do it. No, just think of that, no break that sentence down. Is there any--

steve: Sorry, Rick, sorry, but, uh… people who live in glass houses.

ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

steve: Anyway, let’s go back to Lipton quickly. We’ve got a couple to get through here. So your favorite noise or sound?

karl: Uh…

steve: Favorite sound or noise?

karl: Ooh…

ricky: Is it me?

karl: No.

ricky: It’s not me?

karl: Er, hang on a minute.

ricky: It’s not me? Are you sure it’s not me, Karl?

karl: I like, I like Elvis.

ricky: Noise. Who? Elvis?

karl: Elvis. “In the Ghetto.”

steve: The sound of Elvis.

ricky: Elvis, “In the Ghetto.” Brilliant.

steve: Okay, and your least favorite noise or sound? I don’t think it should really be records and music. Noises, things that you hear. At home or whatever.

karl: Uhh… Maybe like the sound of a--

steve: Least favorite noise.

karl: Least favorite…

steve: Sound of--

karl: Probably, like, uh--

steve: Sound of ghosts?

karl: Fire engines an’ that.

steve: Right.

karl: That’s, that’s annoying.

steve: Except if your house was on fire, presumably.

karl: I think it’s a bit unnecessary.

steve: You think that they’re just doing it to wind people up?

karl: I live on, like, a busy street and it’s happening all the time and it‘s, it is like… just sort of have a blast of it and people will hear it.

steve: Sure.

karl: You don’t have to keep it going.

ricky: Sure, sure.

karl: So that is, yeah, pretty annoying.

steve: Okay, and, um, if Heaven exists, Karl, when you get to the Pearly gates, what would you like God to say to you as he welcomes you into Heaven? What would you like God to say to you?

karl: Uhh…who asks these? Wha-what shows this?

steve: It’s a program where, um, celebrities are interviewed by a guy, an American interviewer, and he always asks these questions at the very end.

karl: What would I say to God?

steve: What would you say to God- If you believed in Heaven and if Heaven exists, when you eventually got to Heaven and you’re welcomed in through the gates--

ricky: Like Parker, in your stussy t-shirt and your--

steve: Yeah, what do you want God to say to you as he welcomes you in?

karl: Say, uh, “You alright?” Uh, dunno just be, just be friendly.

steve: That’s The Reindeer Section.

ricky: Beautiful.

steve: Yeah, nice stuff. Um, it’s a kind of Scottish super-group, lots of different artists--

ricky: Belle and Sebastian.

ricky: Is it the lead singer from ‘em?

steve: It may well be, yeah, on that particular track. Different people, Mull Historical Society, Idlewild, Teenage Fanclub, different people from all those bands get together with a guy called Gary Lightbody from Snow Patrol and he writes the tunes.

ricky: And all that on XFM 104.9, Steve.

steve: Ab-solutely. Let me just name that track, that track was “Grand Parade” from their current album, “Son of Evil Reindeer.”

ricky: Feeder, “Come Back Around” on XFM 104.9. I’m Ricky Gervais. Uhh.. but who are you?

steve: Oh, thanks for asking, Rick. Steve Merchant.

ricky: With us, Karl Pilkington. Well, Karl, um- Now, I know I shouldn’t, but I met Karl in the week again, Steve.

steve: I tell you you shouldn’t do this, you know you shouldn’t--

ricky: I know, but then when he starts, he starts saying things like, “I was a (unintelligible)”, I go, “No, no. Save it, save it.” And then we just sit there and I’m scared to talk in case he comes up- But, um, you did tell me a couple of little things, didn’t ya? True stories, that are, I mean I enjoyed it. Can you tell, um, Steve the one about the doctor?

karl: Right--

steve: Oh God. Is this something that happened to a friend of yours, or is this a--

karl: No, no. I read about it.

steve: You read about it, okay.

karl: Um…there’s this little lad, right? First of all, it’s years ago, right?

steve: What, in olden times?

karl: They didn’t have, they didn’t have decent doctors in, like, every town an’ that.

steve: Yeah.

karl: And, uh, this little kid, he’s dead ill, right.

steve: Yeah.

karl: And the local doctor--

ricky: Well, there’s a phone call involved so I don’t want people to get the impression that it‘s--

karl: Well let me get to it!

karl: Err… yeah, but I didn’t say that, I just said it’s years ago. So this kid’s ill, right, and he’s lying in the bed and he’s all, like, all going funny colour an’ that. And his mom says, “I’m gonna get the local doctor ‘round.” The local doctor comes ‘round and says, “Ooh.. Dunno, dunno what’s up with him.” He said, um, leave it with me--

ricky: Leave it with me.

steve: Leave it with me. What, the doctor said that?

karl: Yeah, he said, “I’ll, um, I’ll phone up a top doctor--”

steve: Okay.

karl: Who was in America, or somethin’ like that. And, uh, so he goes to the phone in his office and he calls America and cause it’s years ago, the phone line isn’t that good, it’s all crackly an’ that, alright. So he’s talking to the doctor and he’s saying, “I’ve got this kid, he’s a funny colour and, uh… you know, he’s really weak an’ that.”

steve: He’s not giving him much to go on.

karl: So, uh, so the American doctor, right? He goes, “Yeah, what you want to do-” and it’s all breaking up, right? He goes, “What you’ve got to do, you’ve got to--”

karl: It’s all breaking up. “You’ve got to give him some, uh… parrot’s blood.” Right?

steve: Some parrots blood?

karl: Well, that’s what he thought he said. But the line was really bad, he meant parent’s blood, but he heard that he said “parrot’s blood.”

steve: Oh God.

karl: He said, “Okay, I’ll do that. Leave it to me.”

steve: I can see where this is going.

karl: He goes, goes to, uh, a pet shop. Said, “Give us, like, half a dozen parrots.”

steve: Sure.

karl: Takes ‘em around to the kid’s house. Takes the blood from the parrots, puts it in the kid, kid’s fine.

steve: The kid’s fine?

karl: It worked.

ricky: I’ve never heard such a load of shite in my life.

ricky: I never heard such twaddle, such, just made up enhanced, exaggerated…bollocks in my life.

steve: What a load of old rubbish, Karl.

ricky: I mean, when he told me this, he said the doctor said, “Well what do I do?” And the doctor on the other end said, “Give him some blood.” And the doctor went, “Where do I get blood from?”

steve: So, hang on--

ricky: “Where do I get blood from?” “Get him some parent’s blood.” Give him some parent’s blood! Give him some parent’s, some parent’s blood! Yeah…

steve: But hang on, I just need to know where you read this--

ricky: Sorry, Karl, I’ve stitched you up. You know when he said, he said, “So do you believe that?” I went, “Tell it to Steve.” He went, “Do you believe it?” I went, “Tell it to Steve!” Karl…

karl: That, that was on the internet. About illnesses.

steve: Where is it on the internet? What, what webpage?

karl: I was looking at stuff, I was looking at stuff this morning cause of, um, Uri Geller last night.

karl: Eating all that funny food an’ that and also, uh- They all got a bit scared last night, didn’t they, with the snake.

steve: I didn’t see it last night. Is this “I’m a Celebrity…Get Me Out of Here!”?

karl: Yeah, yeah. Got all worried about a snake getting on the, uh, sort of wanderin’ about in between the sleeping bags an’ stuff. And, um, they were all scared and--

ricky: Leave it with me! Sorry, the doctor says, “Leave it with me.”

steve: Leave it with me.

ricky: Yeah, ahh... leave it with me.

karl: Well, they were all scared cause there’s a snake and it’s so easy to find stuff out. Before they, before they- where are they? Where is this jungle?

ricky: Australia, I think.

karl: Before they went, give it half an hour on the internet, I found out with snakes you don’t need to worry, right? Um, they’re deaf, they don’t got any ears, so as long as you’re really quiet--

steve: Creep around.

karl: They’ll probably leave you alone. And also they don’t have eyelids.

steve: Uh-huh.

karl: Erm, so they were suggesting, if one’s coming towards you, just, like, kick sand in its eyes.

karl: Cause it can’t blink and it leaves it a bit, like, annoyed.

steve: Yeah.

karl: And it wanders off. But they didn’t do any research before they went.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: That- your, your- I think your knowledge was probably in good stead. I don’t think you need to know any more than you know. Um, well we’re going to come back to that because he also explained to me where, uh, a saying comes from that I want you to be part of. But, uh--

steve: Oh, and also we should mention as well, Karl you’ve come up with a competition, is this right?

karl: Brilliant competition.

ricky: He thinks this can go to television.

steve: Is this an idea you’ve come up with?

karl: Yeah.

steve: Karl, I’m so looking forward to it.

ricky: So am, I mean, I’m looking forward to it. Um, continuing, uh, our exposure of myths and legends, apocryphal tale, we exposed that myth that some maybe older rockers have had it and they’ve got, they were never any good and the kids today--

steve: Oh, I don’t want to hear that.

ricky: People like Rod Stewart--

steve: Rod Stewart is a great artist. He’s a slightly laughable man, but a great artist.

ricky: Let’s got back to when it was, when he was rocking.

steve: When he cut the mustard?

ricky: Yeah!

ricky: Rod Stewart, “You Wear It Well.”

steve: Great tune.

ricky: On XFM 104.9. Yeah, this doctor, I mean, we should find out who he is, really, and if he’s still practicing cause it, it worries me a little bit. That he, you know, did that. Also, I mean, he thinks he got away with it, but how could he be sure those parrots wouldn’t talk?

steve: True, true.

ricky: Do you know what I mean? There were six of them. They probably got together, and, they prob- they probably put it on the internet.

steve: I mean, I feel that that story, Karl, it asks more questions than it answers, really.

ricky: Yeah, like most of your stories, to be honest.

steve: Yeah, that’s the problem. I always feel them- I always feel like I need a little more information, like did the parrot boy continue to live?

ricky: Yeah.

steve: You know, to a ripe old age or did he die weeks later after this charlatan doctor who was going around, you know--

ricky: Did he break his nose trying to crack a big nut?

karl: No, I think, I think he’s, uh, he was alright. He, he lived to a--

steve: See, I’d have shou- If I was that doctor, I would have shouted that down the phone, “Are you sure you said ‘parrot’s blood’?”

ricky: Yeah.

steve: “Are you sure it was parrot’s blood?”

ricky: “Listen, I-I mean, you know, I’m not the best doctor in the world, but did you say ‘parrot’s blood’?”

karl: Yeah, but what you’re forgetting is you’re going back to the time where, like, they used leeches to do, like--

ricky and steve: No, no we’re not!

ricky: We’re going back to the late ‘70s, if there’s a phone call to America direct.

steve: C’mon Karl, they weren’t calling America, like, in the medieval times or-or in the Victorian age. Karl, think about it, Karl.

karl: (quietly): Yeah.

steve: You know, this has got to be, like, the, like, you know,‘30s or ‘40s at the earliest. You know?

karl: Alright.

steve: I’m intrigued to know where this- I think there’s someone on web who’s just putting information on there to lead you astray.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Cause you’re the only person who finds this stuff. Other people are using this to write theses…

ricky: Why were you, why were you looking at that then? What were you…

karl: I always look at weird stuff.

ricky: What were you looking for?

steve: But what do you type in the search engine to find ‘parrot blood’ stories?

ricky: What were you looking for? Wha--

karl: There was this woman with a weird head.

ricky: Why were you looking for that? What were you--

karl: Just cause I’d heard about it, I’d heard, like, someone talking about it on another station, right.

ricky: Right.

karl: About this woman with a, with a funny head.

ricky: Right, I love the fact, I love the fact you’re intrigued with these things. You go into the basement of Waterstones or Dillions or somewhere and there’s these, there’s these medical books that you’ll love ‘em, mate.

karl: Yeah, but this is free on the internet, innit? It’s all there.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: So what did you- you typed in ‘weird head woman’ or…

karl: Weir-weird, weird people, or something I put in.

steve: Sure.

ricky: Yeah, did you come up?

steve: Seven thousand hits, Karl Pilkington.

karl: But it’s all there, innit. It’s interesting, the one that I was telling you before about, um, the what’s-her-name, the lost letter.

steve: The lost letter. What’s this?

karl: The lost, the lost postcard that’s, uh, just turned up. Some woman sent a postcard years and years ago to her niece or something and her niece was, like, three years old back then. And just now, like, I think, like, yesterday or the day before it turned up, the postcard turned up seventy-four years late.

steve: Seventy-four years late?

karl: It took seventy-four years.

steve: And that three year old girl has been living in the same house that whole time.

karl: Well, yeah.

karl: There’s nowt weird about that.

ricky: You see what we mean when there’s always a question you can ask to just scratch the credibility of these stories. There’s always- it’s like the apocryphal tale--

steve: Was this the slugs? Was this those slugs from last week? That were stealing--

ricky: Yeah. Cause the postman slug is useless. It’s round takes him seventy four years. And then he’s got to go back to the beginning and he’s got seventy four ye- and he can’t carry the bag. That’s when they go, that’s when they turn to glue, that’s why they turn to glue.

steve: Ohh… It’s pitiful.

ricky: It is pitiful.

karl: So you don’t believe that someone sent a postcard years ago and somehow it’s been stuck in the bottom of a postbag or something and it’s only just got--

steve: Stuck in the bottom of a postbag? That means that there’s, like, a ninety-five year old postman who’s still wandering around!

ricky: Yeah, did, did she, did she have to pay, like, the, the difference on the charges?

karl: Uh…

ricky: Cause presumably--

steve: It wouldn’t have had Queen Elizabeth’s, uh--

ricky: It was a penny black, presumably, was it?

steve: Yeah. What would be on the stamp? It would have been invalid, surely.

karl: I dunno.

ricky: See these are the questions you should ask yourself.

karl: No, no, no, no, no.

ricky: Go on.

karl: Cause if it’s the postman’s fault, the postman can’t--

ricky: The postman--

steve: He’s dead!

ricky: Who was eighty-three at the time, himself, wasn’t he.

karl: No, he is dead. Yeah, he’ll be well and truly dead now.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: But the fact is that the post office made an error--

karl: Right, they lost his letter.

steve: Sure.

karl: It’s only just turned up. They can’t turn around and say, “Sorry about this. I hope it isn’t urgent.”

karl: “It’s turned up seventy-four years late and by the way, you owe us twenty-five pence.” They wouldn’t do that.

ricky: No, that’s true, that’s true, that’s true. You’re asking questions, though, you see? That’s, that’s true, you see? So you’re interested in where saying come from, as well, aren’t you?

karl: Yeah.

ricky: Cause you told me one in the week that, I don’t know if Steve’s aware of that. Do you want to tell Steve this one?

steve: What’s this, a saying?

karl: Can we do this quiz?

ricky: Do this first.

steve: We’ll do the quiz later, I know you’re excited about the quiz, let’s do that later. But what’s this saying?

karl: Right, uh, what is this saying, “chucking a baby out with the bath water”?

ricky: Yeah.

karl: Do you know that, have you heard that phrase?

steve: Uh, “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.”

karl: Well, yeah.

steve: Yeah, yeah.

karl: Right, how would you use that?

steve: Well, uh, how would I use that, “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”? I suppose if you’ve, maybe you’ve been discussing something, you’ve come up with some plans, but you’re slightly worried and, um, you know, you might abandon the whole plan where there’s might be some ideas in there that are worth retaining.

ricky: Exactly.

steve: So you don’t want to throw the baby out--

ricky and steve: --with the bath water.

ricky: There might be something that you can just change and you don’t need, yeah.

steve: There might be a few ideas you can salvage from an otherwise worthless one.

karl: Well, the saying, right, comes from, like, years ago again. And um--

steve: Pre- or post-phone?

karl: And, uh… ages and ages ago when, like, the bloke worked in the house, you know, he was, like, the coal man. And then you had, like--

ricky: No, wait. It’s important.

karl: Then, then, like, the man is, like, you know, “She stays at home making the dinner, looking after the kids.”

steve: Yep.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: And then you’ve got, like, the little kid who’s just growing up, just messing about an’ stuff. So, what happens is back then they didn’t have, like, fresh flowing warm water everyday.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: So all they could do, they could only afford to have, like, um, one, one full big bath of fresh water. So they’d fill up their bath, right, and then the dad would come home and say, “Oh, I’ve had right, you know, I’ve had a tough day at work an’ that down at the pit.” And his wife would say, “It’s alright, I’m putting the dinner on. You go on and have a nice warm bath.”

ricky: So, cause he, cause he get’s the bath first--

karl: He gets the bath first cause he’s the grafter.

ricky: And he’s covered in coal.

karl: He’s covered in coal, so the water’s, like, minging by the time he’s finished, right?

steve: Yeah.

karl: And then the wife says, “Oh, after all my, uh, cleaning the house and doing the cooking I’m a bit sweaty now.”

ricky: She’s covered in dust and grime. She has the next one.

karl: “I’ll, I’ll, I’ll have a bath.” Right? At the end of the line, there’s the little baby.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Yeah.

karl: Been playing out all day. Also got, like, little grubby knees an’ stuff, needs to have a bath.

steve: Yeah.

karl: Goes in the bath, right, but because the water’s so dirty--

steve: Sure.

karl: They go and empty the water out of the window, can’t see the baby in it, chucking the baby out with the bath water. That’s where it comes from.

ricky: I don’t know what to say, Steve.

ricky: Cause I heard this. I just, I’m just, I’m just- What do you think, Steve? Steve?

steve: So… So firstly, that, that, that’s sort of, I mean, that doesn’t explain--

ricky: Where do you start? You’re struggling, aren’t you? You’re struggling where to start.

steve: Firstly, I can’t see how we’ve now applied this to the example I thought of earlier.

ricky: I’ve been thinking of this, I’ve been thinking of this for days, Steve, waiting for you to hear this one.

steve: I mean, these coal mining parents- deeply negligent.

ricky: Yeah. I love the fact that--

steve: They’ve left their baby in the bath, unattended.

ricky: That’s the way ’round to do it. The one covered in coal, you go first, you go first. Don’t wash the baby and then get in that. The one covered in coal goes first, that’s the best idea. Second most dirty one goes second and then the clean little baby, I think, I think we should do him last cause he’s, he’s done nothing towards this family.

steve: But more than that, Rick, leave him to his own devices .

ricky: Yeah.

steve: “Jack, I’m just going to throw the water out--”

ricky: Yeah.

steve: “In the bath.”

ricky: “Don’t check first.”

steve: “Have you, have you checked that the baby’s not--”

ricky: “Don’t check! Don’t bother.”

steve: “No, I’m not even going to waste my time checking.”

ricky: “You’d see it, you’d see it.”

steve: “I’d be able to see a baby.”

ricky: “You’d see a baby in there!”

steve: “If a baby was in here, I’d be able to see it. I’m just going to throw it out.”

ricky: Yeah. “I’m not even going to look, to be honest, Jack. We’ve all had our bath. If the baby’s in there, then it should be making itself--”

steve: “Be careful, Jack. We have lost three children this way.”

steve: “Don’t worry.”

steve: Where did you read that?

ricky: New single from Supergrass, “Grace” on XFM 104.9. Coming up in the next hour, Karl Pilkington’s new game show. He’s very excited about this.

steve: I’m excited.

ricky: I’m excited. I can’t wait.

steve: We don’t know anything about it, but it’s going to be dynamite.

ricky: But he, he’s told me it’s going to be a winner. He’s, you know, he said this could go to television.

steve: Sure.

ricky: Uh, I need some adverts, though.

steve: Oh, I’d love to hear some adverts, Rick.

ricky: Could we have just two or three minutes of adverts, please?

steve: Please?

ricky: Vines there, Steve, on XFM 104.9. I’m Ricky Gervais, with me Steve Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Karl’s getting very excited, as we all are, about his new- should we, should we let him do a little taster for us?

steve: Well, I’m very excited about it, I mean--

ricky: So tell the gist of it; what is it, what is it exactly? Is it a game show or is it a competition?

karl: It’s just, um, I just thought it’s something that, you know, you can play and also people at home, uh, could take part in it.

steve: Now would they phone in about this or--

steve: They can just play at home while they’re listening?

karl: They can just play at home.

steve: Okay.

karl: Um--

ricky: You mean, we haven’t got any prizes?

karl: No, there isn’t.

ricky: Now I think we could, we could get them to phone in, maybe.

steve: Well, I don’t know. Let’s hear the game idea first.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: Right, it’s music related.

steve: Okay.

ricky: Good.

karl: And, um, what I do is, I sort of, uh, tell a little story.

steve: Okay.

karl: And that story makes up a song title.

steve: Alright. Well, it sounds ambitious.

karl: So, um…

ricky: Is it a cryptic clue?

karl: Uh, it could be. Uh, say, say like this, right?

steve: Oh deary me. Oh deary me.

karl: Say like this.

ricky: Right.

karl: This woman, right, she’s pregnant. You know the answer to this one, so don’t be saying anything. This is just aimed at Steve. Right, this woman has a baby.

steve: Yeah.

karl: She’s pregnant, has a baby. And the doctor’s there in the, uh, in the hospital going, “Oh yeah, you’ve got a, got a lovely little baby here.”

ricky: Oh, he told me- this is, oh.

karl: “Got a lovely little baby, um, just coming out now. You’ll be able to see it in a minute.”

karl: And it’s, like, covered in gunk an’ stuff.

steve: Yeah.

karl: And, uh, he’s going, “Yeah, it’s nearly here. It’s coming out. See, see his little head an’ that.” And, um, he gets hold of it and it’s full of all this gunk, right?

steve: The baby’s full of gunk?

karl: Yeah, yeah, like--

steve: Covered in gunk or full of gunk?

karl: Covered in it.

steve: Right.

karl: And he goes, uh, “Here you go, get a hold of your baby.” And he drops it.

steve: Right.

karl: What song’s that?

ricky: There’s so much irrelevance there, Steve, I can’t tell you. It’s not a cryptic clue, it is not a cryptic clue. Cause only- I mean, the gist of it is relevant.

karl: That, that isn’t the best one. That’s just--

ricky: Right, I mean, there is just, there is, there’s things there that you’re dwelling on and thinking of puns- don’t. Just go for gut instinct; what was it? What was that?

steve: Right, let me just- I just need to try and get the basics of this. There’s a woman, she’s pregnant, she has a baby--

ricky: Yeah.

steve: The baby’s covered in gunk.

karl: Yeah.

steve: And because of the gunk, the doctor drops the baby.

steve: And that’s all I need to know?

ricky: Yeah, that is all you need to know, yeah. The pregnancy’s largely irrelevant.

steve: Okay. What are, what are the key elements?

ricky: It’s the birth and the doctor dropping it that are the relevant--

steve: The birth and the dropping of the baby.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Uh, I have absolutely no idea. I can’t even begin to think of--

karl: Think about, think, think about what’s happened here.

ricky: Oh, Karl.

karl: She’s had a baby, the doctor’s trying to deliver it, he’s saying, “It’s a nice little baby you’ve got here--”

ricky: This is all irrelevant! This is all irrelevant. Right, let me tell you this. So, so, just to be fair to Steve, so he gets, he can get into your mind, right. This is not a traditional cryptic clue--

steve: Okay.

ricky: Logical, problematic. This is Karl, “What song am I thinking of?”

steve: Right.

ricky: That is Underworld, “Born Slippy.”

steve: I have to say, actually, that makes textbook sense.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: No, that does actually- No, I’m sorry--

ricky: Do you like, do you like all the story about the (mumbles), “Alright, you can see it in a minute. Oh, it’s covered in gunk.” Yeah.

steve: No, I agree there is some extraneous detail, but I have to say that--

ricky: “Born” was good, cause it was-that’s the, that’s the hook of it, is “born” was good. Yeah.

steve: And “Born Slippy”, I…no, I’m actually, I was quite impressed by that, Karl. And I have to say, you know, to be fair to you, I’m not just patronizing you--

ricky: Oh, well, I’ve- oh, wow.

steve: I actually think that was really good and I-I disrespect Ricky Gervais for slagging you off cause I actually think that that was quite good.

ricky: Well, let’s go ahead with it, then.

steve: I think we could maybe open this up to e-mail correspondence or, uh, phone lines.

ricky: Ok, let’s go for it then. Ok, this is Karl Pilkington’s new game show idea, it’s what, it’s a--

karl: It’s just, “What’s the Song?”

steve: Karl Pilkington presents, “What’s the Song?” Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, Mr. Karl Pilkington.

karl: Alright.

ricky: Okay, well, let’s--

steve: I’ll tell you what, let’s play a record. Let’s, let’s come back after that.

ricky: Well, give out the number, ready for ‘em.

steve: Well, you should make a note of this. Uh, you can e-mail us, the e-mail is up and running. [email protected], [email protected] Uh, what’s the phone number, Karl? Have you got it?

karl: It’s 08700 800 1234.

steve: Okay.

ricky: 08700

karl: 800

ricky: 12

karl: 34

steve: Make a note of that and we’ll, we’ll have a game of, uh, “What Song is Karl Thinking Of?” after this next track.

karl: What do you want to play?

steve: What have you got lined down there?

ricky: Oh, oh. Continuing, again, old fogies who were good once--

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: And I won’t hear things said against them, you kids, out there. It’s not all nu-metal, is it?

steve: True enough.

ricky: This is Cat Stevens, uh, a little-known album, Mona Bona Jakon, and this one’s called “Trouble.” It’s a lovely song.

ricky: Cat Stevens, “Trouble”, from Mona Bona Jakon, uh, on XFM 104.9. Playing some new songs, playing some old songs.

steve: True enough, Rick, true enough.

ricky: Playing some old games, some chit chat, some tears, some laughter and Karl Pilkington, with his brand new show, “What’s the Song?”

steve: “What Song Am I Thinking Of?”

ricky: Now, I-I’m, I-I mean--

steve: You’re nervous about this, aren’t you, Rick?

ricky: I am.

steve: You’re worried.

ricky: Well, cause I-I’ve heard some of these clues before. And they’re ramblings, they’re- sometimes they’re close to ramblings of a fool.

ricky: Right, and it really is like those “What Am I Thinking?”

steve: Yeah.

ricky: Um--

steve: I don’t know though. I actually was genuinely impressed by “Born Slippy.” I-I have to give him the benefit of--

ricky: That’s one of the better ones.

steve: Cause I-I--

ricky: Cause it was short, sweet, and it worked.

steve: Some of these, you say, they’re not going to be quite as pissy.

ricky: Some of them are, like, Emily Bronte novels.

ricky: Um, now listen. We’re just going to go for it then. You do it and we’ll just get people to call up cause I-I want, I want to see the general public’s confusion--

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: Of trying to work out a Karl Pilkington clue.

steve: Why don’t we, why don’t we, why don’t you give us your next clue and then we’ll play a track and then we’ll, we’ll hopefully have people on the line after the track.

karl: Alright.

steve: To try and answer it and you can recap, briefly. So give us your clue now for “What Song Am I Thinking Of?”

karl: Alright, this one, um, it’s about a woman and, um, she’s just normal, nothing wrong with her, right. Or so she thinks.

ricky: But there’s the twist. Is this like “Tales of the Unexpected”?

karl: And she’s got, like, you know, she’s got her mates and she’s having a normal life, having a good time an’ that. And then this thing happens, right? And, uh, she starts to stink.

karl: And she can’t have a bath, right? And she really wants to have a bath. She’s dead sweaty an’ stuff, she’s trying- she’s going about her daily stuff. She can do everything else normal, she can eat, she can talk, everything, but for some reason she can’t have a bath.

steve: Is there a coal mining husband in the bath?

ricky: Yeah. Is this “Born Stinky?”

karl: She can’t have a bath.

steve: So a woman can’t have a bath.

karl: Yep.

ricky: Is that it?

karl: Or a shower. She can’t--

steve: Okay, leave it there, Rick, don’t try and guess. It’s not for us to guess.

ricky: Okay. Um, the general public can phone up and ask questions, so I just, just go for it.

steve: I don’t think they can, can they? I didn’t think they should be able to guess.

ricky: I think so. Otherwise, we don’t want people just phoning up and getting it.

steve: I tell you what, what about this? Why don’t they can ask one question.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: They can ask one question of Karl, then they have to make a guess.

ricky: Okay.

steve: 08700 800 1234.

ricky: Have we got someone on the line now?

karl: We’ll just--

ricky: No, let’s do it. Let’s go for one, let’s go for one. This is edgy, edgy radio letting Karl--

steve: This is dynamite stuff.

ricky: Live. Go on.

karl: Hello, Xfm.

female caller: Hello, I’m ringing about, um, “What’s the Song?”

ricky: Go on.

steve: Absolutely. What do you think?

female caller: Well, I’m going for “Dirty Diana.”

karl: “Dirty Diana.”

ricky: See, that works.

steve: That’s a great guess.

karl: It does- yeah, but it doesn’t work cause why can’t she have a bath?

steve: Okay, so the answer is in there.

female caller: Well, that’s what I was going to ask you.

steve: Well, that’s your one question.

karl: That’d be the answer.

steve: That will be the answer, I’m afraid. What was your name?

female caller: Shelly.

steve: Shelley, thanks very much.

ricky: Shelley, I should, I should tell you that, you know, you should never take this personally because no one can really get into the mind of Karl. So don’t, don’t beat yourself up about this. I don’t expect anyone to get these clues.

shelley: No.

ricky: So, um, so well done.

steve: Good guess.

ricky: That is a fine guess. Thank you.

shelley: Thank you.

karl: Okay.

steve: Anyone else there?

karl: Let’s, let’s uh- Hello, XFM.

steve: Who’s that on the line?

male caller: Um, it’s Chris.

steve: Hello Chris. Uh, a question for Karl? Before you give us--

chris: I don’t have, I haven’t thought of, like, a really good question or anything.

steve: You just want to go for the guess?

chris: Well, no, what I thought was, um, I’m sure Simon Mayo used to do this when he did the “Breakfast Show” on Radio 1, years ago.

karl: No he didn’t!

steve: So you just pinched this idea, Karl?

ricky: You- If you’re going to rip someone off, Karl, do not rip off Simon Mayo.

karl: I haven’t ripped this off. I thought this was a new idea. I was going to do it with sound affects, instead, but that’s--

chris: Yeah, he used to do that and he used to get his team to play all the characters.

ricky: You idiot.

steve: Well, no, hang on--

ricky: Not you, not you, Chris. I’m-I’m saying, “You idiot” to Karl.

karl: Yeah, but nothing’s new anyway, is it? So I’m-I’m not getting annoyed about it. What do you think the answer is?

chris: Is it “Cornflake Girl” by Tori Amos?

karl: Good answer. She couldn’t have a bath cause she’d go all floppy an’ that.

chris: She’d go down the plughole.

ricky: Good answer.

steve: She’d go all soggy, yeah. Is it “Cornflake Girl?”

karl: No, it’s not, but that’s, uh--

steve: That’s a great answer.

karl: It could have been.

steve: Alright.

ricky: You’re already seeing the error of this, aren’t you?

steve: I think this is great radio. I’m really hooked on this. I’m genuinely excited now.

ricky: This is really like that, um, those, uh, so-called lateral thinkers. “A man goes into a field and dies; why? “ “Um, he ran out of air?” “No!”

steve: Yeah.

ricky: “Not the one I’m thinking of!”

steve: “He’d been shot?” “No.”

ricky: Yeah. Go on.

karl: That’s a good answer--

chris: Well, couldn’t, like, Simon Mayo, like, sue you or something for doing--

steve: Will you stop, don’t mention that!

karl: Awww.

steve: Listen, I think if you’re going to steal ideas from someone, it should be a brainbox like Mayo. I mean, he’s the man to steal from.

chris: Yeah, the only example of one I can ever remember hearing on his show cause I was quite young then was, um, some people were pretending to, like, tap someone’s phone or something and then they got caught and the answer was “Just Buggin’” by Whistle cause they were--

steve: Genius.

chris: Yeah, that was absolute genius.

steve: That was absolute genius. See, Karl?

ricky: That’s the sort of standard you’ve got to come up against.

chris: Yeah.

ricky: Thanks very much, Chris.

steve: The phone lines are hot.

karl: Hello, XFM.

female caller: Hi, is it “Candy Perfume Girl?”

steve: Is it what?

female caller: “Candy Perfume Girl”

steve: “Candy Perfume Girl?”

female caller: Yeah.

ricky: “Candy Perfume Girl”

steve: Is it- Well, who’s that by?

female caller: Madonna.

karl: No, it’s--

steve: That sounds like an obscure album track.

female caller: No, it’s one of her, one of her songs.

karl: Just think about it. She stinks and everything, she’s a normal life. She’s- I didn’t say she was a sweet or anything.

karl: But for some reason, she can’t have a bath or a shower.

ricky: Is this a big song, just to give ‘em a clue.

karl: It’s a, it’s a bigger song than “Candy Sweet Girl.”

steve: Thank you very much--

karl: It was a single.

steve: For your guess. It clearly isn’t right.

ricky: Thank you. Cheers. Sorry.

karl: K: It was, you know--

ricky: Okay, one more, then we’ll go to a record.

karl: Hello, XFM.

male caller: Karl.

karl: Yeah?

male caller: Is it “High and Dry” by Radiohead?

karl: “High and Dry.”

ricky: “High and Dry”, now that’s great. She smells, which is another word for “high,” she’s dry cause she doesn’t have a shower. Karl, if it isn’t that, yours will never be as good as that, he’s the winner. Whatever you’re thinking of, that clue is brilliant. What’s your name, mate?

male caller: It’s Richard.

ricky: Richard, I-I mean, you can’t beat that.

karl: That was a bit too lateral.

ricky: Don’t be stupid! It’s perfect. He’s made yours into a clever clue. He’s made- “high” she smells, “dry” she never gets in the bath or shower. It’s not that is it, Karl?

karl: No, it’s not.

ricky: You don’t even get that, do ya?

karl: Not really.

steve: Have you ever, have you ever heard of the word “high” being used to mean “sort of smelly?”

karl: No.

steve: No, no.

richard: Oh, whoops.

steve: That was where you went wrong there, mate.

ricky: Richard, I’m declaring you the winner, even though that isn’t the answer. Thank you.

steve: I don’t think we should give up this early.

karl: Can we just--

ricky: What?

karl: Let’s play a song--

ricky: Let’s play a song.

karl: And then give it, give it one more chance, cause if people think about it, it is really easy.

ricky: So--

richard: I’m not gonna find out the answer, now, cause I’ve got to go out.

ricky: Okay, well, we’ll do it very quickly. Stay in for ten minutes.

karl: We’re just going to play the new--

ricky: Okay.

karl: Coldplay track.

ricky: Okay, brilliant. Cheers.

steve: Okay, let’s hear Coldplay and then we’ll come back with this.

ricky: Coldplay, “One I Love.” That’s for, um, Nick, Neil, Olivia in Tower Bridge.

steve: Absolutely and also Nicky from Bromley who e-mailed in. She’s enjoying the show and she, uh, she wanted a bit of Coldplay. That’s the B-Side of their current single, “In My Place.”

ricky: This is a great show, isn’t it? We’ve got great music--

steve: Great music.

ricky: We’ve got laughs, tears, we’ve got requests, we’ve got Simon Mayo games.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: It’s a bit- it’s just, it’s just like Radio 1 for less people.

steve: Exactly.

ricky: This is great, innit? So, go on then.

steve: So, listen Karl. You were so excited about this game, weren’t you, earlier? You came-you came in with a hop, skip and a leap in your, in your step.

ricky: But I knew it would fall flat. Although, I must say, the phones are going mental. We’re going to have to take some more calls.

steve: This is it. People love Karl.

ricky: “High and Dry” is great, I mean, it works. That’s it.

steve: Can we have a very quick--

karl: Just a recap, in case someone is just tuning in.

ricky: Can you make it, can you make it so “High and Dry” doesn’t work now? Give us a bit of information that makes it different to “High and Dry” or can’t you do that?

steve: So for those of you just turning in, Karl describes, in a round about way, a story which somehow is representative of a song. Is that right?

karl: A song title.

steve: A song title, okay.

karl: So, um, this woman, she’s-she’s-she’s alright, you know? She has a normal life…

steve: Pretty much.

karl: Kind of.

steve: Yeah.

karl: Um, there’s probably a few things, actually, that she can’t do, thinking about it.

ricky and steve: Ricky and Steve laugh

karl: But the main problem would be having a, having a wash or having a bath or having a shower.

steve: Yeah.

karl: Maybe going for a swim, thinking about it.

ricky and steve: Ricky and Steve continue to laugh

steve: Right. I think water is the clue, isn’t it? That’s the clue.

karl: Hello, XFM.

steve: Who’s that on the line?

male caller: Hello, it’s Mark.

steve: Hello Mark.

ricky: Hi Mark.

mark: Is it “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” Nirvana?

karl: No, it’s not.

steve: That’s a great guess! “Smells Like Teen Spirit” again, is also brilliant.

karl: No.

steve: Thank you, Mark. Well done.

karl: No, no, it’s not that. Alright, hello, XFM.

steve: Oh, that’s-that’s-that’s a dodgy mobile.

karl: Ooh, that’s a bit of a clue.

steve: Dodgy mobile?

karl: Hello, XFM.

steve: Oh, they’ve just given up. They’ve all been going for “Smells Like Teen Spirit.” They just hung up.

karl: Hello, XFM.

male caller: Hi. Is it, um, “She’s Electric?”

karl: Excellent!

steve: “She’s Electric,” it makes sense. That’s fantastic, Karl.

karl: Oasis, “She’s Electric.”

ricky: Why does she smell?

karl: Cause she doesn’t have a bath an’ that. Cause she can’t have a bath or a shower. What-what’s your name?

male caller: Neil.

karl: Neil, right--

ricky: So this fa-so, oh God.

karl: Neil got it, so. Did you get it straight away?

neil: Neil: Uh, no, only during, uh, the song.

steve: A process of elimination from all the other wrong answers.

neil: Neil: Yeah, basically.

karl: So…

ricky: “She’s Electric.”

steve: Rick, I have to say, you-you’re heading your head in hand, in your hands and it looks like you want to shoot off, but I have to say, I thought that was quite good. I genuinely thought that was quite good.

ricky: But it’s not a cryptic clue, is it? Cause it’s not- she smells, there’s a few things she can’t do, “She’s Electric.”

karl: Yeah, but do you understand wha-what I’m getting at?

karl: “She’s Electric.”

ricky: I always understand what you’re getting at, Karl. That’s never been a problem in the, in the years I’ve known you.

karl: Neil got it.

ricky: Yeah…

steve: I have to say, Rick, I think you’re down on this idea. I could definitely see that- ITV1 replacing “I’m a Celebrity…Get Me Out of Here!”. Karl Pilkington hosting.

ricky: Simon Mayo--

steve: Yeah.

ricky: On the phone--

steve: Exactly.

ricky: To the lawyers.

karl: Well, Neil, there’s no prizes or anything, but well done.

ricky: Well done. That was well worth it, right.

steve: Well, you go away with the award in the knowledge that you’ve beaten Karl.

ricky: Yeah. You can- you’re secure in the knowledge that you thought--

ricky: How Karl does.

steve: Absolutely, well done, Neil. I have to say, I-I think you’re being harsh on him. I think that’s- that’s a great game.

ricky: Okay. Alright, let’s do it again next week, then.

steve: I thought that was a great game.

karl: Yeah.

ricky: Brilliant. Play a record. Play a record.

karl: Uh, what do you want to play?

steve: Oh, you know. I tell you, we’ve been playing some oldies, Rick, and I’ve enjoyed them all, but I think I’ve been in love with this song for many, many years and when I saw it- reminded of it in “Con Air,” the film “Con Air,” I remember they stick it on in “Con Air,” and it’s just dynamite. Lynyrd Skynyrd.

ricky: I-I love this.

steve: “Sweet Home Alabama.”

ricky: Oh, turn this up!

ricky: Crank it up!

ricky: “Sweet Home Alabama,” Lynyrd Skynyrd.

karl: Yeah?

ricky: “Strange and Beautiful,” Aqualung. Or as Karl says, “Aqualoong”, on XFM 104.9. Alright, it seems that Karl’s clue, um, you know, did go down quite well. Some other people got it. Uh, the game show as a whole has been well received.

steve: Well, I have to say the, uh, the e-mail-you know, we’ve had, we’ve had loads of e-mails, Rick. You know, we’ve had, uh, just let me count, two.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Um, um, and one of them was aimed at Simon Mayo. It came to us by mistake. They thought they were listening to Mayo.

ricky: Yeah, yeah.

steve: And the other one is saying Karl--

steve: Yeah, yeah. Um, and so despite the fact that it was a stolen idea, I think we should do it again next week. Next week, let’s-let’s wrestle up some prizes as well.

ricky: You’re just like your little magpie, aren’t you? Thieving shiny ideas …from Mayo’s nest.

steve: Absolutely. So, uh, anyway, we played Lynyrd Skynyrd just before the ads and I was looking at the compilation it comes from.

ricky: It’s a great compilation.

steve: We took this from, uh, “Driving Rock.”

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Uh, which I imagine is--

ricky: This is not available in the shops!

steve: Exactly. Um, I imagine this comes straight from the personal collection of maybe Taryn or, uh, Foxy.

ricky: Or Camfield.

steve: But there’s some great names on here that I’d like to see maybe we can play a little--

ricky: He’s a little Vance, isn’t he? He’s a tiny Vance. You know you’re like a little Mayo. Camfield’s a little Vance.

steve: I mean, these are some names--

ricky: Go on.

steve: I haven’t heard them for a long time--

ricky: Go on.

steve: I’d love to hear them again. Alannah Myles.

ricky: No, rubbish.

steve: Rea. You don’t hear Rea enough.

ricky: Chris Rea?

steve: Chris Rea, yeah.

ricky: Well, which one?

steve: Spin Doctors.

ricky: Oh God.

steve: Lest we forget the Spin Doctors. Crash Test Dummies.

ricky: Mmm…

steve: What happened to them?

ricky: Dunno.

steve: Uh, who else have we got in here? Richard Marx.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: Mr. Big!

ricky: He’s guilty, in that song when he goes--

ricky: And all that and then the police came around, well there’s no smoke without fire. I reckon he did it.

ricky: To be honest. I reckon, I reckon he murdered her.

steve: You’re absolutely right.

ricky: Go on.

steve: “Legs”, ZZ Top.

ricky: She knows how to use them.

steve: She does indeed.

ricky: She knows how to- what it is, is an electrical impulse from the brain.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: Uhh-

steve: How is she using them?

ricky: She’s just, she’s just, um, it’s, you know--

steve: The Brothers Doobie are on here, as well.

ricky: Oh, there’s nothing wrong with them.

steve: Absolutely not. Starship.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: And, uh, Toto, as well.

ricky: “Africa?”

steve: It’s not, actually.

ricky: What is it?

steve: Can you name another Toto track?

ricky: “Hold the Line?”

steve: It’s “Hold the Line.”

ricky: Let’s rock! Put that on!

steve: It is, it is a good song.

steve: Is it good stuff?

ricky: Oh, we’ve got to play--

steve: Can we hear a quick little blast of it?

ricky: Oh, go on.

steve: Is that, is that disc still in there?

ricky: Oh, play a little bit of “Hold the Line!” That’s great.

steve: It should be, uh, that should be track, let me see, that’s probably track 10.

ricky: Oh, I hope this doesn’t annoy too many people. Like we’re worried!

steve: Yeah.

ricky: Yeah. We like to give our radio slick--

steve: Is this is? This is not it.

ricky: Yeah.

karl: Alright, yeah. We playing, uh--

steve: That was dynamite.

ricky: That was great.

steve: We’ll have some, I think we should have, like, a classic rock anthem every week.

ricky: I, ohh--

steve: Do you not think?

ricky: I’d love to. I’d love to. A bit of Rainbow, maybe, next week. Who knows?

steve: Ohh, man alive.

ricky: Phone in if you want to hear some classic rock.

steve: Classic rock, indeed.

ricky: Oh, we ripped off Mayo, let’s do Vance.

steve: Absolutely. Let’s just steal ideas from other, better DJs.

ricky: Okay.

steve: Um--

ricky: Oh, wha-what could we have?

steve: Oh, there’s some great ideas out there, I’m sure.

ricky: I-I mean, if you, if you wanted, like, any “Fix It” is done. If you, maybe, wanted to eat a pack lunch on a rollercoaster.

steve: On a rollercoaster, yeah, with some Boy Scouts.

ricky: Or-or-or dance with Bananarama.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: Then, then we’re--

steve: Or Five Star.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: I love the fact that Five Star have reformed; there’s three of ‘em.

steve: Have you heard about this?

ricky: No.

ricky: White Stripes, on XFM 104.9. I’m Ricky Gervais, with me Steve Merchant--

steve: Hello.

ricky: Karl Pilkington. Well, I had a good time.

steve: I’ve enjoyed it. Yeah, it’s been nice. Good fun.

ricky: Some good tracks, some, some laughs, some new, uh, competition by Simon Mayo.

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: That was, that was great.

steve: Yeah, yeah. Karl, have you heard, um, the big news? That, uh, Ricky Gervais is, uh, looking to take up, um- well, you explain it, Gervais, cause I’m not, I’m not--

ricky: No, it’s not big news.

steve: No--

ricky: What are you talk- what do you mean?

steve: You-you-you-you’re taking up boxing, in this right?

ricky: N-no.

steve: What is the story? You want to be fighting for money?

ricky: No! Yeah, bare-knuckle fighting.

steve: No, c’mon. What is it?

ricky: No, all it is, I’ve been watching this, um, show on cable called “Born to Fight” and it’s on sort of late--

ricky: On later when you flick around and I think it’s on after “Roadies“, which is like--

steve: “Roadies?”

ricky: Yeah, it’s a bloke, one bloke with a camera who goes on tour with different people. He went with Motorhead, he went with the Meatloaf, um, uh, uh, Tribute Act. He went on with Coldplay was in one of them. It’s this, sort of, cheap, sort of--

steve: Is this when all the other channels have been switched off, this is the only one left?

ricky: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And there’s one called “Born to Fight” and, uh, they just take a different story. It might be an amateur fight or it might be an unlicensed fight, not illegal. Um, or it might be white-collar, which is what I’m thinking of doing.

steve: Wha-what’s white-collar?

ricky: White-collar is just people who want to fight and, uh, it’s organized--

steve: Is it like “Fight Club?”

ricky: Yes, but it’s charity, it’s-it’s safe. It’s-it’s a charity do. You’ll have big events and it’s just two people that, you know, aren’t boxers, aren’t amateur boxers and they get in the ring and do three, three, um, two-minute rounds and they just lay into each other. They got headguards on and, uh--

steve: Rick, I don’t mean to alarm you, but, um, you know, we work together, obviously, and we make “The Office” and stuff. Your face is my fortune.

steve: Rick, I can’t have you--

ricky: It must be a bit of a worry for you.

steve: It is. I’m not going- well, your heart is, as well, is also a concern.

ricky: Yeah.

steve: And your eating and stuff.

ricky: Well, when I say--

steve: No, no, no, wait a minute--

ricky: But when I said I was going to get fit, you were going, “No, Gervais. You’re only funny cause you’re fat.”

steve: No, I agree, this is true. But I’m saying there’s a difference between being fit--

ricky: Yeah.

steve: And, um, I would say for instance, don‘t eat--

ricky: Getting your face smashed in.

steve: Well, don’t eat, don’t eat, kind of, you know, cheese and bacon, you know, on their own.

ricky: All day.

steve: All day or for breakfast. So what I’m saying is there’s a difference between, you know, exercising and then having your face beaten in and what I’m saying is that you- I just don’t think it’s a good idea.

ricky: But I might win.

steve: No, the prob- what I don’t- you- that’s-that’s-that’s irrelevant. You’re still going to take a couple blows to the face and the point is this, Rick, you’re not going to win.

ricky: Why?

steve: No, because you are delusional. You think that you are probably the world’s greatest boxer.

steve: Ever since I’ve known you, you’ve seemed to think that’s the case cause you’ve watched all the “Rocky” films--

steve: And you think, “That’s fair enough. That seems straightforward enough.” But look at your physique. Yeah, you’ve got some upper body strength--

ricky: Yeah.

steve: But, you know, you’ve also got some up- some lower belly strength, as well, I’ve noticed.

steve: And, um, and my concern is you’re going to go in there and you’re not only going to be a broken man when you realize that you’re just not as handy in the ring as you thought you were--

ricky: Yeah.

steve: But also, you’re going to, you’re going to incur some injuries.

ricky: This is fighting talk. This is fighting talk.

steve: The first rule of Fight Club is don’t talk about Fight Club.

ricky: This makes me want to do it more now, just cause of you. It was the same when Adrian didn’t agree that Rocky could beat--

steve: Right.

ricky: Clubber Lang.

steve: Yeah, yeah.

ricky: Oh, she-she made that mistake. Then she made the same mistake with Draco!

steve: At what age, Rick, at what age--

ricky: Then she turns up at the end to take the credit, didn’t she?

steve: When you were this, kind of, thin, nimble youth in your makeup and eyeliner and all the rest of it, you- I bet you had no id- you had no thoughts about boxing. It never came into your mind, did it? So at what age did you suddenly think, “Wait a minute, I’ve taken the wrong path in life. I could’ve been the world’s heavyweight.”

ricky: I don’t, I don’t think I could.

steve: When have you, when have you suddenly decided that you can, you-you can suddenly be a bit street tough? I don’t understand why this has suddenly come about in later life.

ricky: Well, I’m not putting out a shout, am I, to fight people. It’s not- I’m not- it’s not like I’m Noel Gallegher and Robbie Williams.

steve: But you’ve got to find somebody else to, presumably, fight with.

ricky: Yeah, but it’ll probably be a business man who wants to fight.

steve: Right. You know there’s something really weird about that. Don’t you think that soun- have you just listened to yourself, “I want to fight another- I want to fight a businessman!”

steve: “Please may I fight a businessman?”

ricky: No, I don’t want to fight a businessman!

steve: You just said!

ricky: I want to fight someone who wants to- you know, it’s not--

steve: “I want to fight them” now!

steve: “I want to fight somebody.”

ricky: Say it like that, it sounds a bit mad, yeah.

steve: “Bring ‘em on, I want to fight people.”

ricky: No, but it’s more- it’s more the effort and the training, the equipment to it, like climbing a mountain. I mean, I think climbing a mountain and doing a marathon is ridiculously macho. It’s not the fact that you can do it--

steve: No, that’s not macho compared with boxing.

ricky: Well, it is macho, isn’t it? There’s no reason to climb a mountain, there’s no reason to do a marathon. If you can run a mile, that’s all you need. The fact that you train, is whether you can do it yourself and achieve something and this is more, like, the training and the learning a skill and seeing if it works. I-I don’t want to get in there--

steve: But aren’t you concerned that you might get beaten? Or you might get beaten up, I should say.

ricky: No! What’s the worst that could happen?

steve: You’ll get black eyes, bruises and--

ricky: Well, bruises, bruises heal.

steve: Gervais, let me just remind you--

ricky: What?

steve: Of the time we were working in your flat, right?

steve: And you immediately- I think, I don’t know, to this day, what happened, but you started choking, you clasped your chest--

steve: You were breathing, wheezing, right? I leapt over to you. I remember screaming, “I don’t know the Heimlich maneuver.”

ricky: Yeah.

steve: “If you’ve swallowed something, I can’t help.”

ricky: Yeah.

steve: You gained your breath, you gained your composure. I said, “What happened? Did you eat something, did it go down the wrong way?” You said, “No, I swallowed some dust.”

steve: “I swallowed some dust.” You breathed some dust in that was in the air, there was some dust in the air, you breathed that in; it knocked you out for two days.

steve: Rick, you were in bed for two days.

ricky: Yeah. I love that.

steve: I don’t think, I don’t think you’re the man for the job.

ricky: I had some dust. “What do you think this businessman’s going to do to you?” “Hurt ya permanent!”

steve: Yeah!

ricky: “He’ll hurt ya permanent!”

steve: You found a lump, didn’t you, on your testicle once. We sat in a doctor’s waiting room, I remember, for about forty-five minutes.

ricky: It all checked out, it was fine. I think I went twice, didn’t I? I said to the doctor at one point, I said, “Did you check ‘round the back?”

steve: Yeah.

ricky: I was thinking he hadn’t checked it. Yeah. Oh, dear.

steve: Yeah, just because he hadn’t found anything. My point is this--

ricky: Ohh…

steve: You’re something of a hypochondriac.

steve: You know you’re something of a hypochondriac. You know that already. So why do you think this is going to be any different?

ricky: Well--

steve: If you take, when you take a first blow to the head, you’ll take the punch, you’ll immediately think you’ve got some kind of, you know, brain disorder and--

ricky: No, I‘ve always--

steve: And you’ll be done for. And you'll give up. You'll throw in the towel.

ricky: I’ve always wanted to do it, but I just thought- I just wanted to make sure, I wanted to know that I definitely lost my looks.

steve: Right.

ricky: And, um, I’ve seen some of the publicity shots, I’ve got mirrors in my house, so now- I’ve definitely lost my looks now, I’ve got nothing to lose.

steve: Yeah.

ricky: So I want, you know, maybe a younger, more handsome man. I want to teach him a lesson.

steve: Rick, I’ll end with this.

ricky: What?

steve: For people who listen to this show regularly, you already sound like you’re punch drunk.

steve: Alright? And that’s just your natural way of talking. Please, let’s not do the real thing.

ricky: Oh, play a record. Ohh…

steve: I mean, is it going to be televised?

ricky: Oh, it- well, we could get it on DVD, maybe we’ll release it.

steve: Okay, now I’m interested.

ricky: Okay.

steve: Is there money to be made?

ricky: Yeah, lots of money.

steve: Alright, maybe we should talk about it.

ricky: Okay.

ricky: Hives, on XFM 104.9.

steve: And joining us now live at Shaquille People’s Home where, uh, TV star Ricky Gervais is taking on his first, uh, non-professional bout. Um, Ricky, who are you fighting this evening?

ricky: Uh, bloke called Pete Smedley.

steve: Okay, Pete Smedley. How old’s Pete?

ricky: He’s seventy-two.

steve: Seventy-two years old.

ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

steve: And, uh, you’re very excited about the fight, I’ve noticed.

ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

steve: Now, Pete’s just recovered from a massive coronary, hasn’t he?

ricky: Well, I don’t want to get into that. He’s deemed himself fit and that’s-that’s good enough for me.

ricky: If he, if he wants to fight- listen, right. Someone just called up and said, uh, they’ll fight me. He sounded--

steve: This is such a bad idea.

ricky: Pretty, pretty tasty. I said, “How tall are you?” He said, “Five foot, eleven.” I said, “What do you weigh?” He said, “13 stone.” I said, “How old are you?” “Twenty-seven.” I explained to him I’m looking for someone a lot older and smaller.

steve: Absolutely.

ricky: Lot, lot older and smaller than that.

steve: Don Estelle.

steve: If Don Estelle from, uh- what was it?

ricky: I’m going to show you now, Steve. This is just a sport, you know. People go, “Oh, don’t go into badminton. The shuttlecock will hurt your eye!” It’s just a sport.

steve: Okay, fair enough. I’m sure we’ll resume this conversation next week. And, of course, we’ll also be playing more of, uh, Karl’s new brilliant game. With prizes, hopefully.

ricky: Yeah, yeah. Simon Mayo’s “What is Karl Thinking?”

steve: Absolutely. And, um, we’ll leave you with a song for, uh, the ladies, Rick, if I may. This is by- my friend Harry, you may know, sends me tracks, every so often, I should listen to and this is a particular favourite of mine. “Pretty Please,” and it’s by Kevin Tihista’s Red Terror. I don’t know if I’ve pronounced that right, but enjoy that and we’ll see you next week.

ricky: Let’s get ready to rumble.

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